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Post by bigjohn on Jun 15, 2014 13:29:59 GMT -6
Robert,you'll have to be more specific,what information are they withholding?
Any question I've had for them was usually found on their website somewhere,although it took time looking.
I too,wish they would do the do away with the tags,but don't forsee it any time soon.Luclily my agent will go out of his way to get it done here.
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Post by robertw on Jun 16, 2014 20:41:39 GMT -6
Putting something on the MDC website doesn't constitute the sharing of information compared to how some of the other agencied actually MAIL IT TO YOU. Not exactly hard to do when you simply include this information from the previous years data collected with this years survey.
You also need to understand that we have alot of Amish and Mennonite trappers in Missouri, they certainly are not going to be looking at some website.
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 16, 2014 21:20:30 GMT -6
Come on Robert,your grasping at straws here. Anyone wanting the information can get it.Why should the MDC hold their hand through the whole process? You make it sound like all they(MDC) has to worry about is trappers.
I understand that some people have a beef with the MDC,but you catch more flies with sugar than vinagar.
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Post by login on Jun 17, 2014 5:35:10 GMT -6
John, sure seems like your offended when some talk about the mdc and the mta come about. Kinda makes one wonder if your not a paid dd or a spy for someone.
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 17, 2014 8:29:26 GMT -6
Nope,just hate to see people bite the hand that feeds them.
Some people just ain'thappy unless they have something to beef about and if can find something will make it up.
Now this isn't meant for any one person or persons,just a generalization.
People just care for themselves and never look at the big picture.We ,in Mo., are very fortunate to have a dep[t that had the foresight to buy land so the public would be insured hunting,fishing,and other outdoors oppertunities.Many states don't have that.We are also blessed with an abundance of wildlife.I can remember when we had no deer,turkey,bobcats,or otters.Now all are a common sight.It was the MDC that did that for us.Now they're not perfect,but far better than most states.
Always wondered why people would rather "B" about something than show graditude.Human nature I guess.
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Post by krank on Jun 17, 2014 12:17:50 GMT -6
Lots of things.....I have always gotten along with the MDOC but as time marches on it becomes harder (I haven't changed)
I don't want the MDOC mailing me anything. I will go online and if needed request.(Imagine how many tons of paper that would be)
CA's hate CITES tags .
Johns a spy -LOL
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Post by tjm on Jun 17, 2014 13:47:28 GMT -6
Lots of things.....I have always gotten along with the MDOC but as time marches on it becomes harder (I haven't changed) I don't want the MDOC mailing me anything. I will go online and if needed request.(Imagine how many tons of paper that would be)CA's hate CITES tags . Johns a spy -LOL Just think of the job creation, dozens, no hundreds of new clerks on MDC pay roll and state retirement fund; great boost to the economy! I signed up for some of their emails a couple years ago and they keep my mailbox full. Believe they have an email program for every single area of involvement and the reports are numerous. Put that all on paper with auto mail to every permit holder and the USPS would have to hire a hundred or so new mail handlers/truck drivers, nother economic boost!! Get rid of all that excess money MDC collects, they'd never have to do research or buy land again, budget accounted for; send mail! |
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 17, 2014 16:20:23 GMT -6
Yes,Mike,I'm a regular 007 for the MDC lol
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Post by robertw on Jun 17, 2014 18:44:34 GMT -6
Bigjohn,
Not grasping at straws just facts. The MDC does not do as good of a job communicating with trappers as other state agencies do from my experience.
Jeff Berringer not answering questions on this forum is a prime example of that. You will find several state furbearer biologist on their state trapping forums answering questiona giving updates and communicating with trappers....just how it is.
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Post by robertw on Jun 17, 2014 18:47:36 GMT -6
Another fact, some of these states do mail out and share the survey data from the previous year with the current years survey.
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 17, 2014 19:23:47 GMT -6
Like I stated Robert,not that difficult to find on their website.That is sharing. You can even go back a couple of years.I know I've even seen some of this in their magizine The Conservationist.
I know you trap Mississippi,right? Don't they send out a trapper survey that has to be completed by all licensed trappers or they can refuse you a permit the next year?
Even they would have trouble gathering this material ,if voluntary.
By having all this information online and at one site is a very efficient use of my tax dollars,something I appreciate. Heck,if a computer dummy like myself can find it,anyone should be able to.
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Post by tjm on Jun 17, 2014 22:53:10 GMT -6
But the potential jobs! Use more paper, need more pulp; so increased jobs in logging, pulping and paper making.
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Post by krank on Jun 18, 2014 11:09:52 GMT -6
There is no doubt that trapping takes a back seat to hunting and fishing in so far as the MDOC PR. I think the CAs respect trappers a little more than the "sports" out fishing and hunting....
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Post by vikesbull on Jun 21, 2014 16:28:07 GMT -6
I trapped 6 states in 2013 (Mo, Ia, NM, Wy, Sd, Ut), not 1 sent me any harvest data. But NM, Wy, Sd have simple online forms to fill out for harvest info. All have harvest reports online easy enough to find for me.
As for the MDC, I have had good experiences with them all (3 CO, and Jeff). Jeff seems to respond quickly and responds to requests (You can thank me for the suggestion and Jeff for implementing for having the per trapper data in the MDC reports)
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Post by krank on Jun 21, 2014 16:48:53 GMT -6
I am sure you can find the results of an MDOC study by asking the right person. And, with all MDOC publications, it will be edited, biased, censored reporting. Kinda like the mountain lion report. Sorry but when I talk to 3 different CAs and they all answer the same then I know they are being schooled.
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 21, 2014 18:37:49 GMT -6
Steve,that per trapper data was a good addition(Thanks) in reserching potential trapping areas or species.Also the hunted vs shot on bobcats.Gives a guy a little more complete idea.
Mike<i guess we have different ideas.I like the fact when all the CAs give the same answer as it keeps the grey areas down to a minimum.I don't really they try to keep anything from us,but I'm sure there are those that doubt any and every thing coming from them.
Like I've stated before,managing the wildlife and trying to help the outdoor experiences of so many different people has to be a challenging job.All in all I think they do a good job and try to make everyones experience an enjoyable one.
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Post by trkyslyr on Jun 21, 2014 19:24:42 GMT -6
I am sure you can find the results of an MDOC study by asking the right person. And, with all MDOC publications, it will be edited, biased, censored reporting. Kinda like the mountain lion report. Sorry but when I talk to 3 different CAs and they all answer the same then I know they are being schooled. Reminds me of the Army.... when something happened that they even thought might get media attention, we were given specific "PAO talking points" with what to say to reporters... BS |
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Post by tjm on Jun 22, 2014 1:28:27 GMT -6
I am sure you can find the results of an MDOC study by asking the right person. And, with all MDOC publications, it will be edited, biased, censored reporting. Kinda like the mountain lion report. Sorry but when I talk to 3 different CAs and they all answer the same then I know they are being schooled. Reminds me of the Army.... when something happened that they even thought might get media attention, we were given specific "PAO talking points" with what to say to reporters... BS I hope to heck they are being schooled! Nothing worse in my judgement than every agent/employee having his/her own ideas of the regs. If you talk to one that has a different answer please report him/her to a superior for stupidity. |
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Post by krank on Jun 22, 2014 9:52:31 GMT -6
Yeah....but they are not telling the truth....."There are no mountain lions in MO" Then you show them a trail cam pic. "It must be a lone male drifted in from Colorado" ......With kittens?  |
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Post by pops on Jun 22, 2014 10:02:26 GMT -6
Yeah....but they are not telling the truth....."There are no mountain lions in MO" Then you show them a trail cam pic. "It must be a lone male drifted in from Colorado" ......With kittens? Yeah I remember when they said there was no bears in MO either Krank. |
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