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Post by bigjohn on Jun 6, 2014 17:27:28 GMT -6
The figure I heard was less than that for the trappers survey.
Usually the furbearer surveys that bowhunters turn has pretty good participation.Kinda sad that bowhunters participation is higher than that of trappers.
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Post by krank on Jun 6, 2014 18:58:18 GMT -6
I was glad to turn in survey and send bobcat jaw.
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Post by tjm on Jun 6, 2014 20:25:43 GMT -6
I weren't up too late Dale, just lookin at recent posts and it came to me; these folks don't like what we have!
They want Change, they were promissed Change.
Cat fish, cray fish, 'domestic' deer, what ever; skip the MDC and call your congressman.
Looking at all the states around us, most have season running into or through Feb., excepion being Ia, ending Jan 31.
And cages will end the controversy over partly and mostly.
We have in Mo. the simplest, most understandable wildlife regs that I have seen out of thirty some states I've looked at and it's all the fault of MDC and our nonpartisan Commision system.
imo, If someone knows that an employee of MDC is not qualified for the job he/she holds then it would be easy to present evidence of that and remove said person from the job.
If we truly want to have what Co and SD and such places have, a ballot issue (referendum??) could fix that easily, city folks would no doubt help out.
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Post by tjm on Jun 6, 2014 20:35:06 GMT -6
??should we be careful what we ask for? or who we ask??
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Post by vikesbull on Jun 7, 2014 8:07:16 GMT -6
I brought up paying for skulls to jeff at the spring meeting and he looked back like I was screwing his wife. I told him it would take $5 per skull to get mine. I cannot recall if that was phone or email. Been 3-4 years ago. If they are serious about the information they would come up with an extra $1500 or so to get another 500 skulls. I think they are happy with the 30% they get now. |
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Post by vikesbull on Jun 7, 2014 8:10:16 GMT -6
The figure I heard was less than that for the trappers survey. Usually the furbearer surveys that bowhunters turn has pretty good participation.Kinda sad that bowhunters participation is higher than that of trappers. Are they still by mail? Heck even Wyoming has their trapper surveys online for many years now. It is logical and saves money. For the canines have the CO collect when tagging. |
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jun 7, 2014 8:46:21 GMT -6
I got a wild turkey/poult-count survey yesterday. In the mail.
Dale
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 7, 2014 9:47:34 GMT -6
The figure I heard was less than that for the trappers survey. Usually the furbearer surveys that bowhunters turn has pretty good participation.Kinda sad that bowhunters participation is higher than that of trappers. Are they still by mail? Heck even Wyoming has their trapper surveys online for many years now. It is logical and saves money. For the canines have the CO collect when tagging. Yes,they still do it by mail,Steve. I agree that an on-line survey would probably get more response,except not every trapper has e-mail. I found this to be true while trying to compile an e-mail data base for my district. Even a phone survey would be cheaper,except there are so many people using cell phones and getting rid of landline. |
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 7, 2014 9:52:13 GMT -6
I brought up paying for skulls to jeff at the spring meeting and he looked back like I was screwing his wife. I told him it would take $5 per skull to get mine. I cannot recall if that was phone or email. Been 3-4 years ago. If they are serious about the information they would come up with an extra $1500 or so to get another 500 skulls. I think they are happy with the 30% they get now. That would be kinda like charging yourself,as we as taxpayers are footing the bill. The MDC does do a drawing of those that participate<at least they have the last couple of years,and award some traps to those that sent in jaws. I don't remember how many they draw,but last year they gave me 2 MB-550. One other person here won traps the tear before. |
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 7, 2014 9:53:54 GMT -6
I got a wild turkey/poult-count survey yesterday. In the mail. Dale I also got one of those Dale. I have no problem doing it.Since I love turkey hunting I'll help them out. |
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Post by vikesbull on Jun 7, 2014 9:58:09 GMT -6
Wyoming sends survey letter in mail but not return envelope paid by taxpayers. Just instructs to go online, It is that simple, fast, and efficient.
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Post by vikesbull on Jun 7, 2014 11:20:17 GMT -6
I just got my SD survey in mail just now. It allows to be be done either via mail (postage paid) or online. I filled it out online in a matter of 2-3 minutes, easy.
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Post by bverboy on Jun 7, 2014 15:15:48 GMT -6
I got a wild turkey/poult-count survey yesterday. In the mail. Dale I also got one of those Dale. I have no problem doing it.Since I love turkey hunting I'll help them out. I didn't get one  |
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Post by robertw on Jun 7, 2014 18:10:06 GMT -6
Big John,
Sorry sir, going to have to call BULL $HIT again concerning his worl load! How many othwr state wildlife agenies have ASSISTANT Furbearer Biologist and the employees / support staff under their Furbearer Biologist like Missouri does? I am aware of NONE.
The "perception" is the MDC is the best funded and we get the LEAST jnteraction and information with our furbearer biologist.
The MDC "wants" but never gives in return. How often do you see survey data collected mailed back out to the public that furnished it? Harvest data annually furnished to trappers? Not like it costs anghing to do this, last years data can simply be included with ghis years survey to trappers, common practice in some states.
Everything discussed in this posting is meant to be HELPFUL and CONSTRUCTIVE! Hard to fix something if you don't understand the problems.
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Post by vikesbull on Jun 7, 2014 18:40:36 GMT -6
They do post them online Robert. No need to snail mail them, too much cost to print and mail.
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 7, 2014 20:26:19 GMT -6
Robert,evidently you don't visit the MDC's website much.Harvest reports are there,for furbearers ,deer,turkey,and such.The results of the surveys are there also.
Jeff does have assisstance,but seems kinda handson on things.At the spring meeting he had to leave and go to Peck Ranch as it seemed they had an alledged mountain lion kill on an elk.
Now I'd be the first to admit that the MDCs website isn't the easiest to navagate,but it's (the survey and harvest reports)there.
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 7, 2014 20:38:11 GMT -6
Something else to remember about wildlife management plans is the rapidly changing habitat,or loss of it as you would.
With the higher crop prices,land is being cleared at an alarming rate here and I'm sure anywhere a farmer can get a couple more rows of corn and beans in.This has to be a challenge for the dept to keep up with.Badger numbers,though always were low,are getting rarer as the grazing land is turned into row crops.Grey fox numbers are also declining.It's been so long since I've seen ones tracks here,let alone catch any.The coyote has replaced the red fox for the most part,unless you trap close to town.
CRP ground is going to be cut,with some farmers pulling it out early to revert it back to row crops.Fence rows ,brush piles,hedge rows are all becoming the thing of the past.As the land changes,so will management practices.
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Post by robertw on Jun 8, 2014 5:30:50 GMT -6
Did anyone that sent in the jawbones get feedback on how old each one was? By sharing this information with the trappers it builds relationships. This is what is what is called "working together".
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Post by bverboy on Jun 8, 2014 6:14:40 GMT -6
I didn't. I called them... bj the mdc website is one of the hardest to get around on I ever seen... it sucks to navigate... mdc needs to address it..
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 8, 2014 7:34:24 GMT -6
Robert,if you request them to tell you the age when you turn the survey card in,they get back with you.They also have a chart showing how many trappers caught how many otter and bobcat.They show the ages of the ones turned in.They give a county by county catch.On that chart,they show how many otter where taken out of ponds and how many caught out of rivers and streams. On bobcat they show how many trapped and how many by hunting methods.A person can gather quite a bit of information from there,if they put in the time.
bverboy,agreed that it sucks to find stuff on it.I find more by accident than on purpose lol
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