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Post by bigjohn on Jun 5, 2014 10:50:40 GMT -6
Maybe some day we'll get a BIOLOGIST in the position. Dale Proves my point above. Many a successfull businessmen have built multi-million industries with no formal business diplomas. Diplomas only indicate that a person has attended a course and completed it,nothing more. It's the actual work in the field and whom you surround your self with(as in attending conferences,seminars,and studies) where you learn real life stuff. Again you have to ask why he or any other folks in the MDC would want to come here and answer questions? |
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Post by pops on Jun 5, 2014 11:06:03 GMT -6
Maybe some day we'll get a BIOLOGIST in the position. Dale Proves my point above. Many a successfull businessmen have built multi-million industries with no formal business diplomas. Diplomas only indicate that a person has attended a course and completed it,nothing more. It's the actual work in the field and whom you surround your self with(as in attending conferences,seminars,and studies) where you learn real life stuff. Again you have to ask why he or any other folks in the MDC would want to come here and answer questions? Umm maybe cause it's his job? He works for the people of Mo don't he? I mean we pay his salary do we not? |
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 5, 2014 12:25:22 GMT -6
Yup pops,he does.Does it say anywhere in his job discription that he needs to come to this and any other forum and answer questions,I doubt it.
If one wants to ask him a question,his office phone number and e-mail can be found in the MDC directory and I'm sure he would get back with you.He's a busy fellow,but has always returned or answered my calls while in.
Courtesy is extended faster when it's received.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jun 5, 2014 12:25:27 GMT -6
Well John. I went to school to be a biologist. I quit of my own accord (way too many politics, and I've NEVER regretted it). I needed another year or so, and of course some field work to finish my education. The first DAY I attended school I had more biology training under my belt than Jeff did when he started his job. Do you think I have any chance at all in becoming a biologist with the MDC? Seriously? Nope. Because of the POLITICS. This was the next step of ascension available to Jeff and he took it. As anyone would. After several years at the job the "real-life" stuff is startin' to take, I imagine. Wonder if it helped his pay-grade?
Point is, he knew next to NOTHING when he came aboard. Other than working whitetails under Dave that is. We had some very interesting discussions. Otter for instance. Amazing discussions. I quit callin' him when it became clear that he was being influenced by the FB's (something we hoped we could convince him NOT to do) and was not going to listen to a hickbilly trapper. It was troubling how quickly he fell under their influence. His involvement at meetings when we were discussing the abolishment of the Fur Sale Date was just weird. And entirely predictable. Like his comment that the MO trapper would not be able to afford running freezers to keep fur if they didn't sell it at a prescribed and EARLY date. Just plain STRANGE.
I for sure would never call a wolf a world-record coyote. And a biologist damn-sure shouldn't. They're still chuckling over that one across the country.
Is he a bad guy? Absolutely not. Does he fit in with the rest of the Machine. Oh yeah he does. You bet.
I post nothing here out of spite. I just like facts. And the premise of many member/tax-driven entities is not to be transparent. Posting on a public forum where there could be heat is pretty much been a no-no. It's a shame. And yep-folks misbehave and pick fights wrongly. Wouldn't keep ME away. If I was doin' my job that is. My skin's plenty thick.
Dale
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jun 5, 2014 12:26:19 GMT -6
I've got his cell #. He didn't like me callin' him on it for some reason.
Dale
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Post by pops on Jun 5, 2014 16:14:08 GMT -6
Yup pops,he does.Does it say anywhere in his job discription that he needs to come to this and any other forum and answer questions,I doubt it.
Does it say he cant?
If I was doin his job I sure would want to know what the outdoorsmen wanted or their thoughts. But MDC is more interested in the thoughts of the bird watcher tree hugger type folks or the special interest folks, good example is the slot limit on blues. The average fisherman was against it but they went ahead anyway to please the trophy fishermen and the fishin guide service guys. Not the people that want to keep fish to eat.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jun 5, 2014 16:43:44 GMT -6
I tried to tell him one time how destructive otter are. He didn't believe me when I told him about otter killing a 45# flathead and a 4' long grass carp. Said he "highly doubted they were capable of that".
Betcha he knows different now.
Dale
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 5, 2014 17:32:21 GMT -6
I don't know pops,maybe there's dept policy that suggest he shouldn't.As far as wanting to know what sportsman want,well that's why the dept sends out surveys and holds public meetings.
You say that the average fisherman was against it,okay where's the proof.Comments by a few on here that don't like it?
Most people that don't care one way or another don't attend the meetings or particitate in the surveys,but they're average fisherman just the same.Most of the folks that show up at those meetings are usually passionate about what ever regs are being discussed.So that leaves surveys to find out what the average sportsman wants.
Dale,you continue to slam the man even though he's not here to defend himself if he chosesbut your not doing it out of spite? Man,I'd hate to see what you'd say if you were really out to discredit him.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jun 5, 2014 17:44:44 GMT -6
I'm not slamming him John. Just stating facts. I have very little to no business with him any more. I'll leave that up to important folks.
Dale
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Post by bverboy on Jun 5, 2014 18:18:22 GMT -6
mdc passed the slot ban because of the revenue it will generate... money is the bottom line. its a business. just like these deer reg feel good meetings coming up... mdc already knows what they are gonna do....
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 5, 2014 19:10:05 GMT -6
Lots of variales in trying to manage wildlife,so all can benefit.Get a 5 year deer management plan,then have 2 years of drought with EHD taking a heavier toll than thought,boom,there goes the plan.
Again,lots of hunters don't fill out the surveys.Hard to get input when there is so much apathy.Easier just to gripe about it after the fact.
Anyone can subscribe to news updates from the MDC and get abreast of what's going on,when meetings are going to be held,and what they are about.It takes about 10 seconds to do so.
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Post by bverboy on Jun 5, 2014 19:20:22 GMT -6
we shud always fill out the surveys.... wonder what the % of surveys aren't filled out??
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Post by bverboy on Jun 5, 2014 19:34:19 GMT -6
anyone know that info?
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Post by krank on Jun 5, 2014 20:32:30 GMT -6
One thing about the MDOC. You can jump in a car and go to 5 different counties and all personal for the State will answer your question with the exact same verbage. Its like they all go to "get the story straight" classes. Kinda wierd.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jun 5, 2014 20:46:13 GMT -6
Indoctrination.
Dale
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Post by pops on Jun 5, 2014 21:45:34 GMT -6
Used to fill out every survey they sent me (mostly deer hunting) seemed like I got one about every couple of years. They haven't sent me any for over 15 years, guess they wasn't interested in what I had to say when I was fillin em out on a reg basis. Only time I wasn't home for deer season was when I was serving over sea's.
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Post by tjm on Jun 5, 2014 23:02:48 GMT -6
so, the answer is: return wildlife/fishery to the control of the legislature, so that politicians can adjust the regs to suit their friends and financial supporters or the crying out of the press indoctrinated "voters"!
Cage traps!! no more questions about submersion.
Screw the catfish, there is no limit on carp!
Get wildlife service in here with aerial gunners to deal with the otters.
No more hearings!! just read about it in the paper!
We could even get a lottery system where we'd by a $100 ticket just to try to win a permit. That would be fun!
Who needs science? Who cares if the fish and wild life get all used up? we can always move to another state to hunt and fish. Maybe Ca or Co, I hear they have it good.
Power to the People!!
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jun 6, 2014 9:47:44 GMT -6
Trevis stayed up too-late.
Fact is this- most of what we're talkin' about here with the MTA and MDC is OLD NEWS. We have a NEW MTA now. Definitely one that Robbie has begun to take in a new direction. Hopefully an MTA that will take all of the states' trappers issues and concerns under advisement, all the while keeping them APPRISED of the goings on with the organization.
One more comment, off the subject of my original post, but one we touched on earlier- With the "crash" of fur prices (not really, but some folks got spoiled and think it's the end of the world) we will see a decline in MTA members also. Yes, we will, especially when it comes time for renewals. Coming so soon on the heels of such a huge influx in membership this will be hard to take. The more members the MTA has the more weight they SHOULD pull with the MDC. Should. If those members are well-represented then this SHOULD be the key to keepin' the ball moving along.
Dale
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Post by krank on Jun 6, 2014 11:23:11 GMT -6
See how well the MDOC is in their indoctrination?
See how all of us guys kind of want the same thing but are all over place trying to describe it. Need get the your story together before going public.
I forgot about the carp......truly the feral hogs of the underwater world.
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Post by trkyslyr on Jun 6, 2014 13:48:19 GMT -6
we shud always fill out the surveys.... wonder what the % of surveys aren't filled out?? Last MDC guy I talked to about surveys said that only about 30% of surveys were returned. |
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