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Post by krank on Nov 6, 2013 19:24:08 GMT -6
Kind of an old topic. First off, the State isnt going to take on a project bigger than the CR class. With that said then forget the mandatory law. Make it an enrichment course. Voluntary. If you were certified MTA/MDOC then that would go on your tag for trapping. If you were doing ADC work then you could tell customer you were MTA/MDOC certified. When applying for trapping on public land then that would get you prefered consideration. It would be a prestidge thing.
I take so many courses to be approved and certied for crap that another weekend to be a MTA/MDOC trapper is nothing......But dont make it mandatory.
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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 6, 2013 19:33:50 GMT -6
I plan to discuss this with the people of my district first to see how feel about it. It must make it past them first before I go on further.
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Post by trapper660 on Nov 6, 2013 21:38:09 GMT -6
again,the hunters ed course does not teach yo anything about hunting. the same people will be in charge of a trapping course.what good is it to teach people not to let a trap snap their nuts. thats all they will teach,safety,wich is good,but your point john is we need to teach rules.wich again we do in the clinics.the mdc will teach whatever they think is right and that will be safety
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 6, 2013 23:00:56 GMT -6
Ethics is what needs to be taught. And daddies need to be teaching it before we do.
Dale
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Post by oldfogey on Nov 6, 2013 23:42:48 GMT -6
Ethics is what needs to be taught. And daddies need to be teaching it before we do. Dale Amen |
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Post by tjm on Nov 7, 2013 9:12:32 GMT -6
Illinois is not an odds & ends state- they fit right in with the rest of those city/urban-controlled liberal bastards. Dale I thought she was describing the geographic location, the political bent seems to be common to all those states. |
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Post by pops on Nov 7, 2013 9:13:22 GMT -6
Ethics is what needs to be taught. And daddies need to be teaching it before we do. Dale Yup totally agree with you Dale. My dad taught em to me ever since I can remember he was teaching me what the right thing to do was. Shoot by the time I was ten it was already ingrained in my brain. And I did the same thing to my son. |
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 7, 2013 9:14:16 GMT -6
Kinda figured that about you, pops. Good thing.
Dale
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Post by pops on Nov 7, 2013 9:28:27 GMT -6
yup and thanks Dale.
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Post by tjm on Nov 7, 2013 9:47:22 GMT -6
I read your thread on Tman and came to a different conclusion than you did, I did not think there was much support for a mandatory class, just affirmation that they exist.
The way you framed the questions would not elicit a response from most. I would suggest, if you want to gage the real feelings of the majority, you should start a new topic on there; such as '' supposing that your state were to enact a new law requiring mandantory trappers ed for all trappers, would you be in favor of or opposed to (no grandfathering)?" I believe you would not only get more response but the response would be nearer to reality.
The question could be "would you be in favor of a federally mandated trappers ed for all trappers?" since a federal law would cover all the interstate trappers with one course.
It would seem to me to be imposible to give any more than an overview/summary of trapping in less than a week of class room instruction.
As to the morals and ethics, anyone who has not aquired the basics of these by the age of needing a permit is, imo, not likly to change as the result of a few hours of instruction. Early childhood training is required.
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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 7, 2013 12:18:18 GMT -6
You are correct tjm. My wording could have been different. Although, there were other responses that were sent via pm.
Tyler
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Post by bigjohn on Nov 7, 2013 12:22:43 GMT -6
Trevis,although I support trappers education,I wouldn't want the federal government to have a darn thing to do with it.
All the states that require hunter safety,recognize the other states and the federal government isn't included with that.
Funny how people can read the same thread and draw different conclusions to it.
I too,will be asking those in my district their opinions,before I ever bring it up in a meeting.I will also base anything I learn from that.
I think a good time to ask the folks will be after this season.
Oh,and Linda,you forgot to add parts of AK,Nevada,Utah,and Calif.
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Post by tjm on Nov 7, 2013 17:04:09 GMT -6
No, let's not get the feds involved in anything they don't already control, only suggested that such a question would get response.
I could easily support a course sponswered by the state as nonmandantory, but earning some kind of preference points as Mike suggested. I think maybe a couple of states do that type of certification.
I think it's great to have a discusion of the subject at district meetings or in casual meetings with individuals. When this came up a year or two ago I was a lot more in favor of prerequisite training than I am now, I think reading on a dozen or so other forums has convinced me that the ratio of jerks out there would not change and we would still be forever stuck with one more regulation. Buy them books, send them to school, furnish them lunch and they still be jerks setting borderline areas and illegal traps. Long's they don't get caught, and we know there is not and never has been enough enforcement personel.
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Post by login on Nov 7, 2013 20:38:13 GMT -6
TJM, you just said something I posted 3 pages ago. You can teach everybody the rules and reg of trapping and not everyone of them are gonna follow the rules and regs. Just like hunting, everybody knows it is illegal to road hunt, but does that mean everybody follows that law, NO. Everybody knows it is illegal to steal from somebody, but that dont mean everybody follows that law.
As far as the manditory trapping class to get a trapping lic., is BS...
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 7, 2013 21:56:59 GMT -6
Buncha freakin' outlaws...
Dale
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Post by krank on Nov 7, 2013 22:12:13 GMT -6
Yeah, let them teach their kids ethics. Back up. Who is going to teach the parents? It aint the future trappers out stealing trars and killing non-target and jumping season. Its Daddy. I learned from working with kids that the first step is getting them away from their in-bred immature parents. That way they can go back home and set a good example.
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Post by tcrooks on Nov 7, 2013 22:12:23 GMT -6
I think Krank might be on to something.
If the MTA/MDC sponsored a Trapper Ed Class/Clinic and it gave people Recognition on their permit that could be used in their favor (ADC , Obtaining Permission , Preference Points , Etc.) I believe more people would be in favor of the idea. Let's face it people as a whole love recognition , they love to feel special , to feel like they are better than those who have not taken the class. Before anyone throw's a little temper tantrum I'm not saying anyone is like that. I'm speaking of people as a whole or people in general.
I can see something like an Education Class/Clinic working to benefit trapping and trappers. I will warn you though that this subject has came up repeatedly in the MTA meetings and has been shot down every time the word "MANDITORY" was used.
I could even see people paying a slight fee to go to the class/clinic (Whatever you want to call it) so it could be self funding. The only problem I could see is that it would have to be done somehow where the MTA/MDC could not use the funding for anything other than that training. (No misappropriation of the funds that way)
Also It would have to be multi day depending on what was going to be taught at the "Class/Clinic" and for it to have any effect it would have to cover pretty much everything about trapping. Upon completion it could be printed on their trapping permit or they could be given a "MTA/MDC Trapper Certification Card" that they could use to their benefit.
If something like this could be done I'd say "Let me be the first to sign up for it" However if it is made "Mandatory" you just lost me. There is just something about that word that doesn't set well with me at this time.
Of course this is all just my opinion and that only holds weight with a few people and it seems like it's a select very few.
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Post by krank on Nov 7, 2013 22:20:10 GMT -6
Look up "Best Management Practices for Trapping" . It is a course that is mandatory in many states before you can do ADC or trap public land. It is also a neat guide on how to trap. Missouri does not recognise that. Maybe thats the problem?
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 7, 2013 22:30:07 GMT -6
Missouri was involved with BMP's under Dave Hamilton, I believe. Waddell will know- he'll be back Friday...
Dale
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Post by krank on Nov 7, 2013 22:36:52 GMT -6
Missouri was involved with BMP's under Dave Hamilton, I believe. Waddell will know- he'll be back Friday... Dale I think BMP is cool but MO had nothing to do with it. |
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