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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 2, 2013 19:50:41 GMT -6
An MTA/MDC approved trap ed course would shine light on grey areas. No need for individual interpretation, it would be taught in the class. Model it after the current online hunter ed course except with a refresher course before testing. Include the "mandatory" cr class in with it. MTA directors are unpaid, no overtime would be required from GWs, mdc already has plenty of locations, and tax payers already pay someone for the online work. Also, criminals will continue to be criminals regardless. This course could benefit Missouri trappers. Why would anyone who cares about trapping be opposed to it.
Tyler
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Post by deercreek on Nov 2, 2013 20:18:13 GMT -6
I'm not sure I like the mandatory part of it. I wish we could have a basic trappers Ed course the mta could put on in coordination with the mdc. Kinda like the cr classes. I'm working on an outline for this and have talked to my local mdc guys. Hopefully next summer/fall I can put on the first classes. If all goes well maybe it will spread across the state.
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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 2, 2013 20:39:18 GMT -6
People have to take a mandatory saftey class in order to hunt.
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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 2, 2013 20:42:36 GMT -6
What I meant by mandatory in regards to the cr class is, you must take it to be able to use them already.
Tyler
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Post by deercreek on Nov 2, 2013 20:43:50 GMT -6
Something I do see is the cr IS mandatory and we still can't agree on what's legal and what's not.
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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 2, 2013 20:48:15 GMT -6
That would be one of the wrinkles ironed out when establishing a course. No more grey areas.
Tyler
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Post by trapper660 on Nov 2, 2013 21:12:40 GMT -6
dont do it at all like the hunter ed course. it is a joke if you think you are gonna learn rules and regs about hunting. all it did when i took it was tell you not to shoot anyone in front of you and dont lean your gun on the same fence post you are crawling over. like deercreek, i think a class is a good idea. we like to call them clinics where i come from. they are free we have a few every year and no one gets pissed off cause its mandotory.you need to really teach the rules on trapping like in a clinic.
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Post by trapper660 on Nov 2, 2013 21:13:35 GMT -6
and that is why i am against it. everyone wants it to be like the hunter ed course.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 2, 2013 21:22:02 GMT -6
Guys-back to square one. The MTA already has a trappers ed book printed that guidelines a course. Call Doren. It needs some work, but was pretty clean overall.
I'll bet the CR "mandatory" thing will go away soon. It was already supposed to- we've been 100% clean so far.
Dale
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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 2, 2013 21:28:45 GMT -6
They dont teach you to hunt in hunters saftey course. I definitely dont want it to be like that, way to boring. Keep the clinics going, in fact, let's do more. The ill informed are my target audience.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 2, 2013 21:31:09 GMT -6
Heck, the "ill-informed" are yer buddies!
Dale
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Post by trapper660 on Nov 2, 2013 21:37:04 GMT -6
heck i about bet we are all buddys with wrong doers . no a good thing, but i bet we all are.
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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 2, 2013 21:43:56 GMT -6
Exactly
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Post by mmaxwell on Nov 5, 2013 11:25:31 GMT -6
I am against it being mandatory, I have Cable restraints hanging in my garage for 2 years because of a mandatory class that I have been unable to make time for. And you want to cast that burden onto all of trapping. I say no way
The hunter ed is a burden as well. Not everyone is off work every weekend.
New people will come, some will mess it up, and if they get caught MDC agents will break it off in their pocket book.
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Post by deercreek on Nov 5, 2013 12:18:57 GMT -6
The problem with the idea of mdc will take care of them is when some dumb dumb catches a $1000 prized bird dog in a 330 on dry land. Ya the guy will get a ticket but that will make front line news about how people should be careful walking around because they might set on a 12" wide toothed bear trap that can cut off a mans leg.
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Post by tjm on Nov 5, 2013 13:38:46 GMT -6
Simple solution; make it legal to kill bird dogs! Or get some leo to say privatlly that he won't enforce the law aggainst killing the dog, sss!
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Post by bigjohn on Nov 5, 2013 13:51:49 GMT -6
Exactly Clint! The preception of the trapper,by non-trappers, is one of Disney's portrayal of the.Dirty ,shiftly,heartless,and so on. As far as traps,it's amazing how many people beleive they still have teeth in them.
My position is one of if you are willing to take the time to trap then you should be willing to take the time it takes to get educated.
Those people not willing top make the time will eventially fall out of it.
That messing up part that mmaxwell takes about is what cost us our 220's as coon traps and could very well lose all traps.
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Post by evertrap on Nov 5, 2013 16:37:10 GMT -6
Mandatory is a dangerous game that means giving up your individual rights to a group made up of, in the case of the MDC, unelected people that change from year to year. You'd have to believe these people, simply by being in the group, are wiser than everyone else.
If the MDC required a mandatory trapping class before a person can legally trap, then someone in the MDC would write the content. There would be opinions as to the best traps, baits, sets, etc... things to do and not to do, and most likely a few political talking points. The classes go on, changing with the MDC leadership--soon they're teaching your grandson that although foothold traps are still legal, they are inhumane. What can you say? It's your monster.
When you want hurdles placed in front of others, it's time to pay more attention to your own road.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 5, 2013 17:35:54 GMT -6
Been talking to folks in other states. The biggest issue they have in a Mandatory situation is in recruitment of new trappers- folks just want to try trapping without making a commitment but now have to take a class before they can set their first trap.
Okay, so now we do a Mentor program... WAY too complicated.
And as far as the political ramifications, well, Linda gets it. Just like everything else that's wrong with this planet, making new laws when old ones don't get enforced just doesn't cut it.
Dale
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Post by bigjohn on Nov 5, 2013 17:39:05 GMT -6
You know,it's mandatory everyone is suppose to have a license to trap,hunt,or fish.You have to have a seperate but mandatory license to pursue waterfowl,deer,turkey,trout,etc.
My point? People don't mind shelling out money to do something,but God forebid they have to spend a little time to know anything.
As far as someone in the MDC writing the contents,well I'm sure the MTA would be asked for their input. Lots of our wording in our regs came from them working with the MTA on that.Matter of Fact we're still working on getting regs changed for the trapper.The only rules changed in the last 25 years have kinda been in our favor.
At one time you weren't allowed to set a trap smaller than 6 inch spread for beaver after reg season was out.Our season use to end the 15th of Jan.So I really can see why all the negativity towards the MDC.
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