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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 5, 2013 18:40:00 GMT -6
Linda, I was proposing a program that would be created through a partnership with the MTA and the MDC. Much like the current cr class. I started a thread on tman about this subject and so far it has been embraced by others.
Tyler
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Post by trkyslyr on Nov 5, 2013 19:55:35 GMT -6
I started a thread on tman about this subject and so far it has been embraced by others. Tyler That's the problem with today's society.... today's youth wont say no, and of course the "old farts" will say "that's a great idea" cause they know they'll be grandfathered in.... this country was founded on FREEDOM, but every day more and more laws are being imposed upon us because some schmuck wants to "leave his mark".... with every new law, we lose FREEDOM..... The LAWS are THERE.... they're written so an 8th grader can understand them..... now granted, there may be some "gray area", but that leaves latitude.... and FREEDOM.... Permissive Code..... Remember that.... |
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Post by kcdavis on Nov 5, 2013 20:02:20 GMT -6
you want hunter ed go with a old timer to the woods you aint doing rite you will get your weapon taking away and go back to hard knocks thats why these uneducated kids gets dads gun out and goes and kills people i was raised in a house full of guns all were loaded hanging on nails above every door in granpas house and i could load and unload every one blind folded and knew where the saftey was and i was tought guns were for food and if someone rubs ya wrong you went to fist city to settle your problem we live in a mealy mouth country that sugar coats stuff and is sue happy ANDS THATS MY HUNTER /TRAPPER /AND WELL MANNERD OUTLOOK ON LIFE ALL IN YOUR RASING IF YOU KNOW ITS WRONG IT PROBABLY IS a test just looks good on paper but my grandpa only had a 8th grade education went thru 2 depresions and knowed all and was a tough man and raised me well to much of the young generation needs a father figure to many divorces single parents i could go on but my computers out af paper lol
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Post by kcdavis on Nov 5, 2013 20:04:57 GMT -6
turk being grandfatherd was what i was venting on the man had hard knuckles
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Post by bigjohn on Nov 5, 2013 20:10:13 GMT -6
Lets see ,during the last fur boom,uninformed persons setting 220 conibears in fences,meat based baits in buckets and holes in the bluffs. That kind of freedom cost us the 220 conibear as a coon trap.
Many of you on here where too young to remember those times.People that had never set a trap before,doing so randomly causing all kinds of problems for those that were dedicated.A repeat of some of the stuff that happened then would really put a blackeye on the trapping community.
As for us old farts,well I took the Hunter Safety program when I didn't have to.It's not a matter of losing our rights,it's a matter of protecting them.
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Post by mmaxwell on Nov 5, 2013 21:16:57 GMT -6
All of this to prevent a " what if " What if someone does this or does that then we all get a black eye.
You can not and will not ever prevent a " what if ".
You will never convince me that if that person only took a class he would not made that illegal set.
I agree with don, make it apply to everyone and sit back and watch the howling begin, your support will drop to about 3 or 4.
The way its being done now is the right way to do it. This site, other sites, trapping clinics, and individual trappers making a difference, that is the way to do it. If you want to set up classes at clinics or elsewhere, I say great, want to get the MDC involved, I say great, you want the state bureaucracy to make it mandatory, you lost me.
Key word " Bureaucracy " How much money does the MDC make off trappers??? Seriously how much? So do you really expect they are just going to bend over backwards to make sure there are classes at all times and all conveniences for us to get our licenses ha ha ha
With current economic conditions as they are and all state budgets getting pinched I dont think this will be high on the list of places to spend money.
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Post by tjm on Nov 5, 2013 22:10:45 GMT -6
Well, on the one hand I think we really do need something in the way of a more structured education program. I don't think that MTA will ever reach more than a handfull of trappers especially new-borns.
As far as the net and the forums go I see an awful lot of poor advice on several of the forums and on the utub vidieos by guys that just days or weeks ago were asking the same questions that they are now giving answers to.
On the other hand I certainlly do not like mandatory anything, thank you.
To complicate more, landowners and families of don't buy a permit and would not likly want to go to any such class.
Don't believe that you legislate either ethics or morals, a mandatory class in trapping ethics would ammount to such an attempt.
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Post by tylercraiglow on Nov 6, 2013 3:25:13 GMT -6
Turk, I dont know how to take your comment, but I'm not some "schmuck" trying to leave my mark if that's what you're implying.
How many new trappers go to clinics or even know about the MTA and that we put on these events? Most new folks don't have a grandpa, dad, or whatever to show them the ropes. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but these are different times and Im just putting out ideas on how to preserve what we do for generations to come.
Tyler
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 6, 2013 8:46:36 GMT -6
Our season used to end the 15th of February too...
Linda speaks from mucho experience, also. But again, go for it. It's your monster.
Dale
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Post by trkyslyr on Nov 6, 2013 9:36:39 GMT -6
Turk, I dont know how to take your comment, but I'm not some "schmuck" trying to leave my mark if that's what you're implying. How many new trappers go to clinics or even know about the MTA and that we put on these events? Most new folks don't have a grandpa, dad, or whatever to show them the ropes. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but these are different times and Im just putting out ideas on how to preserve what we do for generations to come. Tyler I was not referring to you Tyler. Mearly stating that there are already WAAAAY to many outrageous laws out there that cover the exact same thing.... If somebody is SERIOUS about wanting to LEARN, they'll do what I did, seek out those individuals who will teach them and go to clinics... BTW, ya know what I learned in Hunter ed?  NOTHING.... |
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Post by pops on Nov 6, 2013 9:53:16 GMT -6
Took the hunters ed course way back before it was a mandatory thing, (grand fathered in so didn't have to take the mandatory class), didn't learn anything that my dad already tought me by the time I was 5 or 6. So was nothing but a waste of my time, but I was young and had plenty of time back then lol. Mandatory is not the way to go IMO. Mandatory means politics and we have to much of that now.
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Post by login on Nov 6, 2013 10:18:04 GMT -6
Back when I lived in IL, I didnt need a hunter ed to hunt in IL or CO at that time. Then CO changed thier laws, and I needed to get a hunter ed to hunt in CO if I still wanted to hunt out there. I thought is was stupid for me to have to do that and a waist of time, but I went ahead and did it. Did I learn anything from that? Just like Don said, "NOPE".
Now you start make it manditory for everybody to take a trapping ed, all your gonna do is pisss alot of people off. Not just res, but non res as well. Are they gonna learn anything about trappin at these classes, probably not.
The way I see it, a person will only learn what they want to learn, and the best way to learn about trappin is hand on with experienced trappers (clinic's). If they want to learn about the rules and regs, then get a booklet and read it, tax payers already spent the money for them.
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Post by evertrap on Nov 6, 2013 11:54:29 GMT -6
You know,it's mandatory everyone is suppose to have a license to trap,hunt,or fish. My point? People don't mind shelling out money to do something,but God forebid they have to spend a little time to know anything. As far as someone in the MDC writing the contents,well I'm sure the MTA would be asked for their input. What if the cost of a trapping permit went to $50 or $100? I don't know about others, but my time is my own to spend as I chose. I'm positive the people at the MDC would do whatever they want, same as usual. Who at the MTA would you put your trust in? And will they be there next year? (pops, that's a cool avatar.) Some of you are trying to solve a problem, and that's good, but these are problems we'll always have. Adding more laws never decreases the number of law breakers. The only solution is to make legal, safe and ethical trapping more widely known and popular. That takes motivated individuals sharing their knowledge one-on-one (or maybe a hit TV show like Muskrat Dynasty). As trappers, I think we've made a lot of progress. |
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Post by bigjohn on Nov 6, 2013 12:24:46 GMT -6
Over half the states in the union require a passed course to be allowed to purchase a trapping license.This includes non-residents.This means if you plan an out of state trapping trip,you better check on this before you go.Almost all those states recognize each others states certifacations.
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Post by pops on Nov 6, 2013 15:13:33 GMT -6
thanks evertrap
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 6, 2013 15:45:42 GMT -6
Yeah, cool pops!
Dale
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Post by evertrap on Nov 6, 2013 17:18:53 GMT -6
Over half the states in the union require a passed course to be allowed to purchase a trapping license. No, only 16 states require you to pass a trapper education class to buy a permit. Some of these are required for first-time trappers under the age of 18, some for persons born after 1966/1967/1968/ or 1989; some for people who have never bought a trapping permit before; some for only left-handed redheads; and a few states require classes for everyone who gets an itch to trap. It's basically the northeastern and north-central states (CT, DE, ME, MD, MA, MN, NJ, NY, OH, PA, WI) that have made it harder to get a trapping permit, along with a couple of northwest states (WA, OR) plus a few odds and ends (AZ, IL, KS) Don't think I'd want good ole Missouri lumped in with that bunch. |
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 6, 2013 18:03:12 GMT -6
Be careful who you pick a (fight, argument, debate, choose your medicine) with when it comes to Trapper Everhart. She knows her stuff, and unlike so many of us, doesn't just spout it. She's been an advocate/watchdog for too long to have to make this stuff up!
Dale
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Nov 6, 2013 18:05:05 GMT -6
Illinois is not an odds & ends state- they fit right in with the rest of those city/urban-controlled liberal bastards.
Dale
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Post by bverboy on Nov 6, 2013 18:33:35 GMT -6
Illinois is not an odds & ends state- they fit right in with the rest of those city/urban-controlled liberal bastards. Dale bwahahahhahahhahaahhahaaaaa. ohhh so true. I used to work over there... |
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