Prices

[tryinhard]

Has anyone seen or heard any speculation on the market?

[tjm]

gfwco.com/gfw-fur-prices/

^^^really good stuff prices

The local is 2$ tops coon, 5$ grey, 7$ red & coyote, cats and otters some what better ....

NAFA pitch here, think they are hoping they can convince us to ship and once it's there .. www.nafa.ca/trend-of-cautious-optimism-continues/

hatter beaver @$5.50/lb scraped www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/5713677/I_need_hatter_beaver.#Post5713677

[krank]

Dig yourself......Make your own market. For years our family supplied city folk with coon carcasses. Sold them for 3 & 4 bucks apiece. They were happy we were happy. 20 years ago I used to ship finished coon to Idaho and get them tanned and sell them at blackpowder shoots for $25. (the old boy charged me 5 dollars and coons were worthless at the country buyer)
Farmers have the same trouble. Sell milk for 12 cents to the man or make your own market and quadruple that.
I used to sell oats to horse people for 3 times what the Co-op paid at the scale and I was happy and they were happy.
Make your own market or lay down and the man makes all the money.
If you sell a gorgeous red fox for $7 then I think that is buck stupid.

[silverfox]

Nov 28, 2016 19:25:43 GMT -6 krank said:

Dig yourself......Make your own market. For years our family supplied city folk with coon carcasses. Sold them for 3 & 4 bucks apiece. They were happy we were happy. 20 years ago I used to ship finished coon to Idaho and get them tanned and sell them at blackpowder shoots for $25. (the old boy charged me 5 dollars and coons were worthless at the country buyer)
Farmers have the same trouble. Sell milk for 12 cents to the man or make your own market and quadruple that.
I used to sell oats to horse people for 3 times what the Co-op paid at the scale and I was happy and they were happy.
Make your own market or lay down and the man makes all the money.
If you sell a gorgeous red fox for $7 then I think that is buck stupid.

I agree with el kranko! creativity and thinking way outside the box is only way we can survive these times. As a fur buyer, the low markets demand creativity. Good think about the low markets is I can't lose much. Can't lose more than $1 on a dollar coon.

I sold a New York scientist 12 possum heads yesterday. He says he will probably want more and will let me know as soon as he is done experimenting with these. No idea what he is doing but he acts serious. One of the baby raccoon I bought last year for 5 and sold for 10 ended up on the Jimmy Fallon show last spring. Look at "two neal youngs singing on a stump" on utube and you will see the little bandit up in the top left corner.

Communication, enthusiasm, and creativity.

[tjm]

I read on another forum that a fur dealer from Mo. had totally ruined the taxinet market with hundreds of low quality southern bobcats at sub par prices, I think he was talking about you, Marc.

Mike, that offer was for local red fox; if you showed up with a gorgeous red fox he might pay more. I'm sure he sells the greys to Groenwold, because he wants them inside out.

[silverfox]

Nov 29, 2016 7:21:10 GMT -6 tjm said:

I read on another forum that a fur dealer from Mo. had totally ruined the taxinet market with hundreds of low quality southern bobcats at sub par prices, I think he was talking about you, Marc.

Mike, that offer was for local red fox; if you showed up with a gorgeous red fox he might pay more. I'm sure he sells the greys to Groenwold, because he wants them inside out.

I've never sold a low quality cat on the taxidermy forum. Just beauties at slightly higher than market price to people who live in states that don't have cats or the cats are too expensive. I have around 50 loyal customers in about 20 states that order direct and no longer use any forum. The trappers I buy from are the ones who benefit most cause they have a place to sell their top quality whole critters instead of nafa or fha.

Sorry the fellar on trapperman is sad!

[tjm]

(this word is unacceptable on Trapperman) wants taxi prices to be double fur market and I guess all Mo. are low grade compared to Wy. or Mt. cats,
I can't see why a mount would need to be exceptional quality fur and thought your prices were a good deal for both buyer and seller; B's comment caught my attention because of the "hundreds of" part.

[silverfox]

Ozarks cats are the prettiest cats in the world for their price. I caught a beauty back on Christmas eve afew years ago and sold it for 200 to a MO fur buyer due to its beauty back when big pretty cats were bringing 30. He sold it to bass pro and they sold it for 3000 after it was mounted. The mount was prettier than anything I have ever seen! One the nafa or fha market it would have brought 30-40 and probably would this year too.

I admit it was a beauty but I get lots of $30 cats I buy for 50 and sell for a little more and the taxidermist sells for lots! Prettiest cat I've ever seen in my life and bass pro and the final buyer must have agreed.

I should post some pics of the cats my taxidermists send me after they mount them. Amy Carter, do a search, bought several last year and won awards at huge contests. They are true artists and can take an beautiful Ozark kitty and turn it into a breathtaking mount.

20-30 awesome taxidermists, a few honest fur buyers who are communicators, and about 300 die hard trappers is all I need to make a little or lose a lot every season. What more can a guy ask for!?

It'd be different if I was doing this hobby for income. I'd be a BAMF! haha

[krank]

I don't think there's a single MO furbuyer that can flood the world market.(interesting theory but not plausible)
Damn glad I haven't logged on to T-man in two years as the BS is super concentrated.(impossible to ever be right)
Its almost like Obummer ticked the Russians off (biggest buyer) and the Chinese got in trouble for import violations and the Ukraine is afraid to show up at an auction with the Russians and its been warm lately.
Lets focus on that.

[silverfox]

Nov 29, 2016 19:13:15 GMT -6 krank said:

I don't think there's a single MO furbuyer that can flood the world market.(interesting theory but not plausible)
Damn glad I haven't logged on to T-man in two years as the BS is super concentrated.(impossible to ever be right)
Its almost like Obummer ticked the Russians off (biggest buyer) and the Chinese got in trouble for import violations and the Ukraine is afraid to show up at an auction with the Russians and its been warm lately.
Lets focus on that.

El Kranko! You always have a way to hit the blank blank nail on the blankin head! You nailed it down, El Kranko! You sound like one of those fellers who knows what they are talking about!! haha

You and little Dale do a great job of keeping our forum afloat. I appreciate it. The trapperboy forum is like going to an 8th grade prom. No big deal but my supervising baby mentality days were over the day I retired from teaching back in 2003! Thid forum is as good as it can be and this is pretty dang good! Meant to say damn but knew I'd get rejected! haha

[tjm]

Another forum does not equal Trapperman, sorry about not explaining that for you; another forum means some forum that is not Trapboard. Be careful out there about stepping off cliffs.
I visit several (6-8?) other trapping forums, all as active or more so than this one; any of those could be called "another trapping forum".
So happens that the fellow that made the comment about Marc flooding the market with hundreds of bobcats has been on lifetime ban from Trapperman for several years, hence his very name is "unacceptable on T...".
sigh...., never mind;

At the time it seemed humorous. I certainly did not intend that anyone think it otherwise and I apologize if I caused anyone's comprehension to be strained or defense mechanisms to be activated.

tryinhard, did not mean to run the thread amuck. Prices are down, market is for certain goods only. I believe wolverine and fisher still have a decent market. Pale silky heavy coyotes and western heavy cats will sell maybe as high as last year, or so the speculation runs.
Reports are that there is 100% clearance of held over fur, but at low prices; advice from the buyers is trap only the best prime furs. And only big ones.

[tjm]

Nov 29, 2016 9:05:02 GMT -6 silverfox said:

and no longer use any forum.

"Lots of whole frozen critters for articulation and/or taxidermy
« on: November 17, 2016, 08:09:29 AM »"

Love your sense of humor!

[silverfox]

I have sold lots on several forums since November and sold a coon and black yote just yesterday. But, I meant no longer post much on them. Most of my greys, reds, cats, and yotes are already spoken for. One guy bought way over 100 cats last year and I hauled a uhaul full of cats, greys, and reds last spring to a gal in Ohio. She is the one who sold my baby coon to Jimmy Fallon show. The Forum is just for the cute stuff and unsold surplus. I rarely buy a fur anymore unless I already have it sold!

I wish someone else would buy Ozarks furs so I could focus on other hobbies. I am teaching five college classes next semester which is way too many so will not be able to buy much during the week and no more Poplar bluff on Fridays like other years. That part of the state desperately needs a buyer. McGrew is done so none left.

Peterman, my good friend, is my closest buyer and I have no idea who is south, southwest, or south east of me. Burkbuegler is closes to the east and he's over two hours away. Wynn is done but used to be closest at 90 minutes away.

None I am aware of in top half of AR except one who sells to me.

Some of you young pups need to jump in and take over for us old guys!

[trapperw3]

Marc are you going to buy skulls these year ?

[tjm]

Here's price projections from a Nebraska buyer that has routes to Ks. as on Facebook;

Petska Fur
November 2 at 7:06pm ·

Price projections for remaining fur bearers we are interested in.

Heavy coyotes
Carcass
Range. $0-55
Average. $25-45
Finished
Range $5-85
Average. $35-70
Note on heavy finished coyotes ... If we like them? We will do what ever we can within reason to own them.

Semi Hvy coyotes
Carcass
Range. $0-45
Average. $20-35
Finished
Range $5-70
Average. $30-60

Semi - coyotes.
Carcass
Range. $0-30
Average. $10-25
Finished
Range. $2-50
Average. $20-30

Commercial coyotes
Carcass
Range. $0-20
Average. $5-15
Finished.
Range. $3-30
Average. $10-20

Cats a little early...will adjust later if needed.
Heavy Westerns
Range $50-500
Avg. $100-300

Semi westerns
Range $40-400
Avg. $100-250

North central
Range $30-300
Avg. $50-150

Central
Range $20-200
Avg. $30-80

Coons. In the round
Heavys.
$1-6. Generally I 90 and north. Scattered between Neb./SD border

Semi plus
$1-5. Generally the band between I 80 and I 90

Semi
$1-4. Scattered north of I 80 but generally a band 50 miles either side of I 80. Some semi's in northern Kansas . Especially the farther you go west.

Semi minus
$1-3. Scattered through southern nebraska and Kansas but generally coon south of I 70

Before every one goes ballistic on me...keep in mind these are generalizations on sections and exceptions can be found almost every where in our traveling area.

Add $1-2 for properly skinned. $3-5 for properly skinned scraped and dried. In the case of carcass coon..we will only be buying better colors and bigger sizes.

Finally... be patient mid November is plenty early even longer in the south.

Fox in the round
$5-15. Heavy westerns
$6-12 semi westerns
$4-10 centrals
Add $3-5 for properly skinned scraped and dried

Beaver in round
$1-10
Add $3-6 for properly skinned scraped and dried. Note...would rather buy juveniles on carcass for taxidermy purposes. Would chase a good heavy pale western blanket to $20.

Mink
$1-4. Nothing else to say about this item

Muskrats in round
$1-2. Add $1-2 for properly skinned scraped and dried.

Deer hides $2-3 add $1-2 for properly salted/handled

[bverboy]

that's not bad prices. I expected a lot worse

[silverfox]

Well Beavereater

You are interpreting his facts the the same way all the hickerbillies and hillbillies in these parts used to see the markets on fur fish and freakin game magazine. In this part of the country, that means furs have NO value. But, I will buy thousands and sell them all. But, don't plan to make enough to buy my beautiful wife a new party dress!

The high market days are over! World has changed in lots of ways that affect fur markets. Only the super wealthy can afford to buy furs in Russia, China and a few other places who desire it. None in U.S. A. unless it is almost free.

I am just trying to keep the art of trapping going into the future. I suspect there will be a day when conversation/consternation dept pays trappers to trap so there will be other game out there. Just my thoughts, beaverboy!

[raymond]

What classes are you teaching ?

[ozarkmountainman]

Heard that Berkbuegler wasn't buying???

Dale

[silverfox]

Nov 30, 2016 20:53:25 GMT -6 ozarkmountainman said:

Heard that Berkbuegler wasn't buying???

Dale

He drives nafa truck so probably buys an occasional bargain. But, I bet you are correct. There goes my only buyer to the east. Hopefully Dorin is buying.The east and southeastern part of state need a buyer. Brandon McGrew filled that niche for many years and was a great buyer and person.

Dale, you should consider adding fur buying to your long list of hobbies.

You'd be a good one.