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Post by bverboy on May 31, 2014 17:02:50 GMT -6
wonder if tom olsen has any insight on this sideways under ice inhumane rubbing topic??
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Post by bigjohn on May 31, 2014 19:57:05 GMT -6
HMMMMM maybe you ought to go back and reread my posting again bverboy.I said that is one of the situations inwhich to use it .No different than a drowning set in that situation.
Don,I know you where at the spring meeting when the conibear issue was discussed.One of the things mentioned was the fact that the MDC wanted a more defined discription or measurement than just saying half way.Again,the regs are designed to keep folks that try to push the limit.
You also have to remember that water fluctuates and on a 2 day check,you could easily be out of compliance.The last 2 years drought had caused me to carry a shovel to keep my sets legal.If a person doesn't go right to the trap and look closely(maybe even measures)it would be easier to miss the fact than if the regs said to the rivet.The rivet could be easier to see than a measurement.
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Post by krank on May 31, 2014 19:58:02 GMT -6
Law needs to read "Majority", THat is anything more than halfway.
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Post by pops on May 31, 2014 21:26:08 GMT -6
Law needs to read "Majority", THat is anything more than halfway. think it should read at least half way there might be sum out there with different opinions on majority. |
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Post by login on May 31, 2014 21:55:28 GMT -6
I for one use conni's sideways. Pull both of the springs to one end, run a beaver stick threw the eyes, then run my stable stick on the other side. I would have to say that 90% of my catches that way the trap hasnt even move out of place from the animal strugling.
But then again, Im not a pro trapper tho.
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Post by bverboy on Jun 1, 2014 4:06:51 GMT -6
HMMMMM maybe you ought to go back and reread my posting again bverboy.I said that is one of the situations inwhich to use it .No different than a drowning set in that situation. Don,I know you where at the spring meeting when the conibear issue was discussed.One of the things mentioned was the fact that the MDC wanted a more defined discription or measurement than just saying half way.Again,the regs are designed to keep folks that try to push the limit. You also have to remember that water fluctuates and on a 2 day check,you could easily be out of compliance.The last 2 years drought had caused me to carry a shovel to keep my sets legal.If a person doesn't go right to the trap and look closely(maybe even measures)it would be easier to miss the fact than if the regs said to the rivet.The rivet could be easier to see than a measurement. hmmmmmmm. not sure im buying what your trying to sell bj |
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Post by 64bobcat on Jun 1, 2014 6:15:01 GMT -6
Well if the MDC officer has any sense... he should no that water has fluctuation in
creeks that r non tidal also ..... Here in Va we have this law,I can always fine a place to make the
set, were its legal....
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jun 1, 2014 7:18:27 GMT -6
Dennis, we have a lot of rivers here that have lakes on them. Lakes have dams, and dams create water fluctuations just like tidal conditions in those rivers and tributary creeks for hundreds of miles from those dams. Sometimes worse.
A good agent would know that a trap was set properly to start with. But I know "pro" trappers who cheat, and the new guys? Sheesh.
Dale
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Post by trkyslyr on Jun 1, 2014 9:45:27 GMT -6
With that being said, the TRAPPER should also know if the local body of water he/she is trapping in is going to drop and make 24 hour checks if need be to ensure compliance.... lakes/ rivers round these parts don't drop 6" overnight without us knowing it's going to happen (i.e. the dam is gonna generate water fullbore) if the big mo or miss is dropping, you guys know it and should set accordingly anyway. Yes I was at the spring meeting, and yes, I disagree with the fact that they (educated employees of the CITIZENS) need to specify " the rivets" because if a trap is set sideways (in which it does and will kill just same) the rivets then become out of the equation and the trap is then illegally set because a riviet isn't underwater... I'm sure that somebody with at least a bachelors degree (Must have to be a conservation agent with MDC) can figure out if the trap is "at least halfway" submerged  The wording "at least halfway" covers every method of setting these traps. |
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Post by Walleye Joe on Jun 1, 2014 9:51:43 GMT -6
......... The wording "at least hallway" covers every method of setting these traps. I agree! |
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Post by pops on Jun 1, 2014 9:54:06 GMT -6
......... The wording "at least hallway" covers every method of setting these traps. I agree! I'm thinkin ya meant halfway not hallway Turk.......... But yup that should cover anyway ya set em. |
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Post by bverboy on Jun 1, 2014 9:58:14 GMT -6
right on... the damn corps of engineers have almost cost me some traps on numerous occasions because I was trusting their river forecast............ so even their predictions are wrong at times...
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Post by trkyslyr on Jun 1, 2014 10:21:54 GMT -6
yup... sure did... fixed it.. halfway....
yes, forecasts can definitely be wrong, but don't ya at least have an idea if a 48 hr check is too long?
I've never trapped the big rivers, but fished them as a kid with gramps and he seemed to know when he needed to pull or move his nets.
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Post by bverboy on Jun 1, 2014 10:31:57 GMT -6
yes usually a dude has an idea
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Post by bigjohn on Jun 1, 2014 17:40:44 GMT -6
For you sideways setters,have any of you ever read the BMPs on animals the BG's are normally used on? It shows the poper way a BG should strike the animal for a quick dispatch.
Ever wonder why every manufactored BG stand is made to have the rivets to the sides? Can show me just one that is manufactored to hold a BG sideways?
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Post by 64bobcat on Jun 1, 2014 20:17:34 GMT -6
X 2 on that Slayer we as trappers should no...... My thing is the warden should have some
sense and no the river schedule, was messed up also!
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Post by Bigbuck on Jun 1, 2014 20:17:44 GMT -6
Nope but I can show you somebody that wants to argue............... 
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Post by tylercraiglow on Jun 1, 2014 22:22:45 GMT -6
Suddenvalley coni clips and Berkshire stabilizer supports.
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Post by bverboy on Jun 2, 2014 4:19:32 GMT -6
1 rivet can be replaced with a spike or rod... would post a pic but cant get it to work
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Post by Walleye Joe on Jun 2, 2014 4:34:14 GMT -6
1 rivet can be replaced with a spike or rod... would post a pic but cant get it to work Fixed it for ya!   |
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