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Post by tylercraiglow on Dec 20, 2011 20:55:39 GMT -6
Yeah rimfire 17s just dont have the horsepower to shoot 300 yds.
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Post by swanieboyd on Dec 20, 2011 22:35:58 GMT -6
204 Ruger gets my vote i have a T/C encore 1 1/4 groups at 300 yrds sighted in 1 inch high at 100 its only 2 inches low at 300 and not bad on fur over 50 yards and i can hand load cheap i shoot 32 grain v-max bullets
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Post by krank on Dec 21, 2011 9:09:37 GMT -6
I just got a TC 204 and dies and loaded up some but havent hunted with it. It sounds like it may be my shangrila....
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Post by ThatHoundWontHunt on Dec 21, 2011 11:46:27 GMT -6
I don't really know what kind of load you have worked up for your 204. LOL. But at normal speeds (3400 fps) a 204 will drop 11 inches at 300 yards. Not really sure how you are only 2 inches low. Still, the 204 is a good round. Just not a versatile as a .223. The .223 can shoot a 35 or 40 grain and then jump to a 55 or 60 in a different load.
My .02
Hound
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Post by krank on Dec 21, 2011 12:06:47 GMT -6
The 204 doesnt do its 11 inch drop until after 400 yds.
I can shoot my M4 at 400 yds but I have dropped alot more than 11 inches.
The reason I am shelfing the 223 and working the 204 is flatter and less destructive.
I like a 223 though.....
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Post by ThatHoundWontHunt on Dec 21, 2011 12:20:06 GMT -6
11 inches is from the balistics calculator. Not real world. Just math. Must be other variables that would make it not drop. 400 should be over 25in drop according to the math.
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Post by krank on Dec 21, 2011 13:48:11 GMT -6
Whatever the ballistics are, the 204 is one the flattest around.
It is flatter than my 22-25o which is flatter than the 223.
This is all about getting out on the prairie where you can see the next road and taking them long shots. If I am in the timber then I will pack the 22mag or the 30 carbine or the 22 hornet.
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Post by segsarge on Dec 21, 2011 17:41:32 GMT -6
The local pawn shops are full up with.17 HMR's. Only found 1 .22 WMR. The hunt continues!
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Post by newtrapper11 on Dec 21, 2011 19:27:55 GMT -6
i did the best thing i could think of i bought one of each i like both of them the 17hmr & 22mag
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Post by swanieboyd on Dec 21, 2011 19:50:37 GMT -6
I am shooting 32 grain vmax 4150 fps through the chronograph and have shot it at 300 and it is 2 maybe 2 1/2 low at 300 thats fact its flatter shooting and has less wind drift then any of the 22 calibers except maybe the 220 swift and that is only if the swift is loaded to max and the 204 is easy on fur and 3400 is a super light load i get 3950 out of a 39 grain seirra blitzking with 25 grains of accurate i believe its 2515 or 25 20 powder and a cci br#2 primer i cant remember which
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Post by swanieboyd on Dec 21, 2011 19:54:49 GMT -6
The 223 is a great round no doubt but i only need the 204 for varmints not anything else so the versitility is not what i worried about
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Post by krank on Dec 21, 2011 20:29:18 GMT -6
The local pawn shops are full up with.17 HMR's. Only found 1 .22 WMR. The hunt continues! yup the pawn shops are full of 17 rimfires |
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Post by trappingfarva on Dec 21, 2011 23:54:10 GMT -6
The pawn shop in bonnet terre pawn has a remington 597 bull barrel .22 mag very Nice gun laminate stock for less than 350
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Dec 22, 2011 0:22:55 GMT -6
The new .22 mags with ballistic tip, SMALL bullets fixed the whole equation for me. Ballistically they outrun the HMR for knock-down power. Plus, the .22 then gives you the choice of 40 grain bullets for shooting to 100 yards , which in my experience is about the limit you should be shooting a rimfire, anyway.
The .204 is the ultimate for me. Since I started shooting them the .22-250 and Hornet don't get used much, even though I love them both. I have shot several coyotes with the .204 with ZERO pelt damage. Of course, shot placement is always important.
Thank goodness we have a choice!
Dale
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Post by segsarge on Dec 22, 2011 8:11:31 GMT -6
I took a look at the Remington up in Bonne Terre. It's a nice gun, but a bit pricey for a .22 mag for me. To spend that money I might hold out and look for a deal on a .204. Most all my shots would be under 100 yds so the rimfire would work I believe, I am concerned about fur damage with it though. By the way John and the guys at Bonne Terre pawn are super gun guys. You'll get the straight story on any gun they have. If it's got a problem he'll tell you before you buy or won't sell it.
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Post by krank on Dec 22, 2011 8:22:49 GMT -6
15 years ago, there was a rumor about a new rimfire coming out. They premiered the 17HMR at the LasVegas Gun Manufactures show. I called Fred Bullberry and he said he was waiting on a reamer from Hornady to start building barrels for the 17HMR. As soon as that came about he made me a barrel for my contender.(I had a 17 hmr before production started)
Then they made another announcement at the Vegas that Aquilla was producing a 22 Goliath. I was longer than a 22WMR but still .224" and it had a 60 grain bullet. I was thrilled and couldnt wait. I am still waiting as it never happened. Aquilla did come out with a 60 grain .22 long rifle. It is a 22 short brass with a long 60 grain bullet. Great for knocking coon out of trees. What is wierd is the .22 fanatic target shooters hit out to 150 yds with the 60 grain. It boggles my mind but the explantion is that the lack of velocity causes a rainbow trajectory. The enertia of the 60 grain bullet makes it still deadly at 150 yards. Kinda like the science behind the 300 whisper but that is nothing for this post (although it is an ADC tool)
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Post by supertrap on Dec 22, 2011 11:33:57 GMT -6
I would agree on skiping the 17 hmr know people who own them ther pretty much for sale! 22mags are not. I love my marlin at 100yds it almost drives tacks with 40gr win hollow point bench rest of course I"m not that good free handed. So a head shot on a moving target ?? thats a no brainer.. 223 with this cal you can overcome moist obistacles! moving targets-- 50yds--250yds--wind--ect-ect. you can load rounds to souit your situation it will even take deer real well. I load hornady 68gr bthp stay away from the hind quarter & front shoulder. right through the ribs finger size holes. Remington 700 VTR Leopoled 2.5-10 power.Now your in bisness. THE other half of the time I"m uasualy in the timber withmedium size openings 12GA super full choke 3" #4 or #1 buck cant be beat. I have a tendesey to pul the triger on something I want to kill it. sow up holes latter.
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Post by segsarge on Dec 22, 2011 11:46:35 GMT -6
I wonder sometimes why I put myself through what I do. I logged onto NEF Firearms, They have .204 Rugers in their single shots for $265.00. About $65.00 more than a .22 Mag Savage or Marlin. Geez Now I'm gonna be forced to buy THREE guns! The agoney of it all!
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Post by krank on Dec 22, 2011 12:21:11 GMT -6
I am working the 204 ruger right now and will try it for 'yotes. One thing for sure about the 204, it is definitely NOT a deer gun. You may kill a deer with one but you will never find it.
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Post by swanieboyd on Dec 22, 2011 15:47:28 GMT -6
204 is a head shot only deer gun lol and messy to boot
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