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Post by bigjohn on Dec 30, 2014 15:37:09 GMT -6
The MTA contacted the MinnTA and were told they didn't want our help. Now if the Minn association doesn't support their trappers,nothing the association could have done.
The members voted on the issue of extending the season till Feb 28th and the members voted it down. The survey the MDC sent out didn't use the date of the 28th,but the 20th. Also the survey asked if trappers were satisfied with the current date and the majority stated yes. It then asked if they would support extending it till the 20th and a majority stated they would. The trappers didn't ask to extend it,just that they would support that decision. Big difference.Those are the facts.
Had the same date(20th) been voted on,the outcome may have been different.
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Post by login on Dec 30, 2014 16:13:31 GMT -6
8 days would of made a difference?!?
I wasn't sent anything to vote on that Bigjohn. When did this happen?
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Post by robertw on Dec 30, 2014 16:26:48 GMT -6
BigJohn,
You are very mis informed concerning the MN effort. The MN association had a "neutral" position! As for the other two issues mentioned, both occurred because inept leadership in the assocoation that still exists today in my opinion!
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Post by robertw on Dec 30, 2014 16:33:05 GMT -6
The MN effort directly affected our membership. Every Missouri trapper that traps out of state or ever wanted to trap out of state was shunned by the MTA by this action.
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Post by bigjohn on Dec 30, 2014 17:54:20 GMT -6
Well Robert,as a member you have every right to be elected President,VP,or any of the other offices if you think you can do things better. This is an election year!
Rod did you attend the fall convention? It was voted on at the membership meeting.
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Post by login on Dec 30, 2014 19:13:56 GMT -6
Why no John I didn't go to the fall convention.
So I was not givin the right to vote on that because I didn't drive the 3 hours to vote.... That ain't right to me... A member should have the right to vote on something no matter if they can't present their self at a particular meeting to vote.
I thought last year was an election year...
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Dec 30, 2014 19:26:56 GMT -6
Every two years.
D.W. Verts- Bigfoot Trapper
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Post by login on Dec 30, 2014 19:29:54 GMT -6
Wow how time flies...
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Post by supertrap63 on Dec 30, 2014 19:34:48 GMT -6
Yep an absent T vote it happens all over the world... But not in the MTA world thy don't want to let the people have a say only the people in the (GROUP) gotta have the (POWER). I"ts discounting
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Post by robertw on Dec 30, 2014 20:07:09 GMT -6
Then you have to request a ballot during a specified date to even be ALLOWED to vote!
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Post by robertw on Dec 30, 2014 20:14:29 GMT -6
BigJohn,
Most of us have just walked away in disgust. We are more effective as individuals promoting and defending trapping. Five of us from Missouri spent more money defending trapping than the NTA did nation wide a couple of years ago.
Have you noticed how the MTA leadership has not actively lobbied to have the season lengthened?? I guaruntee you trappers have noticed!
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Post by bigjohn on Dec 30, 2014 20:47:28 GMT -6
Robert what part of it was voted on and the membership voted it down don't you get? Did it ever occur to you that not everyone wants or sees a need for it to be longer?
We had somewhere near 9000 trapping permits sold last year. The petition being circulated now has a target of 1000 and last time I checked had right at 20% signed.Thats a hair over 2% of the permit holders. Overwhelming isn't it?
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Post by vikesbull on Dec 30, 2014 20:59:57 GMT -6
BJ how many people voted NOT to extend the season? I have a feeling it is a lot less than signed this petition.
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Post by vikesbull on Dec 30, 2014 21:10:35 GMT -6
It amazes me how those in favor of not extending the trappings seasons spin the numbers. Here are the FACTS from mdc survey mdc.mo.gov/sites/default/files/resources/2012/01/fy14furbearerreport.pdfPage 58 reads: We surveyed trappers to get their opinions on several regulatory issues and to measure trapper effort as part of our otter/bobcat harvest study. We attempted to survey both regular and occasional trappers by randomly selecting our pool of trappers from those that purchased permits in each of the last three years and from those that purchased permits only 1 of the last three years. The overall selection was made up of: a. Those who purchased 3 out of 5 years – 924 (46.20%) b. Those who purchased 4 out of 5 years – 503 (25.15%) c. Those who purchased 5 out of 5 years – 573 (28.65%) Overall 77% of trappers were very or somewhat satisfied with the current furbearer management program, respondents were split when polled about the current trapping season length but a clear majority favored lengthening
the regular trapping season to 20 February. A majority of trappers reported using cable restraints and supported a mandatory training session prior to a person using them. Most respondents did not support mandatory trapper education. Survey questions and responses are summarized below |
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Post by calvin on Dec 30, 2014 21:16:16 GMT -6
Sorry for the hijack but just to clarify....The MN Trappers assoc was not "neutral" in the NR issue. It was the stance they proclaimed to take but after the Presedent's (Shawn Johnson) secret letter to the FTA surfaced it was apparent the MN trappers assoc was against NR trapping (at least those in charge anyhow)...and makes sense they would want nothing to do with help regarding support for NR trapping. Recently there has been a swing in the membership to support NR trapping in MN. But Shawn Johnson was voted in again so don't hold your breathe. Also, because the MN TA took an against stance so did the MN DNR. There was a time when the MN DNR would have supported the change (IMO) but not so sure that's on the table anymore with the MN Trappers assoc stance against it.
It appears that the members will vote on the NR issue again this summer. There are still many working hard for the change to take place. Getting it through the Legislature may be a whole other can of worms, however.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Dec 30, 2014 21:26:36 GMT -6
Not a very fair comparison John. The number of trappers responding to the petition very much seems to be on par with the percentage of trappers (compared to previous years) that are participating in this forum. The first fur sale has been cancelled due to lack of interest. Go figure.
Betcha there's nowhere NEAR 9000 permits sold this year.
D.W. Verts- Bigfoot Trapper
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Post by robertw on Dec 30, 2014 21:36:57 GMT -6
Calvin,
As you are aware, the MN effort had national implications that directly affect many Missouri members that trap out of state. I personally called and briefed many MTA board members on this issue. Bob Mochinski wrote the board a letter explaining everything as well! It has been said that it was reported at the meeting the FTA and NTA were not supporting this effort. A flat out lie! The FTA contributed $5,000!! (Total amount the NTA spent defending trapping out of a $650,000 annual budget!, not that the pie chart was reported to the MTA membership).
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Post by robertw on Dec 30, 2014 21:41:49 GMT -6
Vikesbull,
The MTA is like a mini NTA. It does not operate in the best interest of the resource, the trapper or the trapping industry in my opinion.
I have listed examples in a previous posting.
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Post by login on Dec 30, 2014 21:42:48 GMT -6
Betcha there's nowhere NEAR 9000 permits sold this year. D.W. Verts- Bigfoot Trapper You know Dale, I was about to say something of that matter, but I didn't. Most of the none regular trappers (like last year) got a good price on their fur (selling to the local buyers), so they didn't fill the actual effect of the prices falling like you and I and the local fur buyers. So who is to say that those none regular trappers didn't by permits this year. They might of bought them, but didn't go trapping. Wonder how many of those 9000 permits last year was a members of the MTA? 2% maybe? |
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Post by calvin on Dec 30, 2014 21:54:28 GMT -6
Correct, Robert. The FTA did support the NR issue in MN (and went against the MN Trappers assoc president's wishes)...as we know the FTA supported NR trapping in South Dakota several years earlier as well.
We expected a new (trapper friendly) president the last election in MN. We didn't get one. Makes one wonder if any of the voters are paying attention at all.
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