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Post by pops on Aug 16, 2014 9:46:35 GMT -6
Reason for the petition is just like any other law change, to have lots names to use as ammo (so to speak) when it goes before the MDC board. If we can get 500+ trappers to sign it then we stand a better chance IMO.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Aug 16, 2014 10:13:46 GMT -6
Well Robbie, we had no intention of complicating things. The Fur Sale Date WAS complicated, and I reckon we're still reeling from that. I'm all about Kenny and the MTA taking charge if they will.
The number one reason for a petition is to show the MAJORITY of MO trappers are in favor of fixing the season length/issues, not just MTA members (which is what shot down the deal in '07, as far as MTA support went).
And no, things don't happen overnight. But they shouldn't take three or four years either. Thanks for responding.
Dale
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Post by Robbie Page on Aug 16, 2014 10:15:28 GMT -6
Again, Too extreme at this point. The commissioners haven't said yes or no yet. So why act so defensive? Hell, we haven't even had a meeting yet to discuss it yet! We need to go along with the process. Trying to create shortcuts is only going to cause problems.
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Post by bigjohn on Aug 16, 2014 10:15:27 GMT -6
Did anyone on here get the survey the MDC sent out laat year. I haven't talked to anyone who did and would be curious if season length was part of the questions. Anyone?
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Post by Robbie Page on Aug 16, 2014 10:20:18 GMT -6
Well Robbie, we had no intention of complicating things. The Fur Sale Date WAS complicated, and I reckon we're still reeling from that. I'm all about Kenny and the MTA taking charge if they will. The number one reason for a petition is to show the MAJORITY of MO trappers are in favor of fixing the season length/issues, not just MTA members (which is what shot down the deal in '07, as far as MTA support went). And no, things don't happen overnight. But they shouldn't take three or four years either. Thanks for responding. Dale So lets just proceed and do it right. No petition at this point and no shortcuts. I feel we have a good chance with this proposal, so lets just see what comes out at the fall meeting!
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Aug 16, 2014 10:22:50 GMT -6
I'm not defensive at all. Other than wanting a longer season myself (for purely selfish reasons) I don't have a dog in this hunt.
Again, the abolishment of the Fur Sale Date and the politics that went with that, not to mention the coercion and behind-the-scenes witchery that took place, are still fresh in my mind. I hope and understand that those days are over.
So on with it.
Dale
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Post by Robbie Page on Aug 16, 2014 10:28:28 GMT -6
Did anyone on here get the survey the MDC sent out laat year. I haven't talked to anyone who did and would be curious if season length was part of the questions. Anyone? I did not receive a survey, but I had a lengthy discussion with MDC Furbearer Biologist, Jeff Barringer a while back, and according to him, he does not appose an extended season. All the more reason not to go to extremes at this point. What better ali than to have him to back us up?
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Post by Robbie Page on Aug 16, 2014 10:41:31 GMT -6
One of the threads that have been on here is the topic of the half submerged bodygrippers. It was proposed at the spring meeting, 2nd, then passed to proceed to the commissioners. We have done that and we feel good that they will approve it. One thing at a time. A proposal needs to be made at the fall meeting, a 2nd, then a majority vote of the membership, then we will propose to the commissioners. We not only need a proposal, but need to show good reasons behind it.
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Post by pops on Aug 16, 2014 10:57:33 GMT -6
One of the threads that have been on here is the topic of the half submerged bodygrippers. It was proposed at the spring meeting, 2nd, then passed to proceed to the commissioners. We have done that and we feel good that they will approve it. One thing at a time. A proposal needs to be made at the fall meeting, a 2nd, then a majority vote of the membership, then we will propose to the commissioners. We not only need a proposal, but need to show good reasons behind it. Not tryin to make waves, but by doing it only your way, doesn't that dis-clude all non MTA trappers that are for this? There are a lot of folks that aren't members that want this too. IMO the more options we have on this the better chance we will have when the time comes to present it to the MDC board.
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Post by Robbie Page on Aug 16, 2014 11:07:03 GMT -6
One of the threads that have been on here is the topic of the half submerged bodygrippers. It was proposed at the spring meeting, 2nd, then passed to proceed to the commissioners. We have done that and we feel good that they will approve it. One thing at a time. A proposal needs to be made at the fall meeting, a 2nd, then a majority vote of the membership, then we will propose to the commissioners. We not only need a proposal, but need to show good reasons behind it. Not tryin to make waves, but by doing it only your way, doesn't that dis-clude all non MTA trappers that are for this? There are a lot of folks that aren't members that want this too. IMO the more options we have on this the better chance we will have when the time comes to present it to the MDC board. First off, it's not "my" way. It's just the proper channel in order to get things done. Yes, we represent trappers, not just members, but either way, petition or not, it needs to be dis cussed and decided on at the fall meeting if the MTA is going to take part in it. Even a petition of 500 trappers won't represent a "majority" of trappers when there are literally thousands of trappers in Missouri. everyone for this proposition, just send a written proposal to Kenny with your reasoning behind it. These written proposals will be kept and used when needed.
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Post by pops on Aug 16, 2014 11:24:48 GMT -6
Sorry if you took that the wrong way Robbie, I didn't mean "you" personally. I am just thinking about the "whole forest" and not just one little section. I hope between the MTA and the rest of the trappers in the state, this extended season becomes reality.
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Post by Robbie Page on Aug 16, 2014 11:32:16 GMT -6
Sorry if you took that the wrong way Robbie, I didn't mean "you" personally. I am just thinking about the "whole forest" and not just one little section. I hope between the MTA and the rest of the trappers in the state, this extended season becomes reality. Nothing personal taken. People need to realize that MTA members and officers are trappers too and that all of us need to work together, not against each other. We all need to be going in the same direction to make any progress. The water that flowed under the bridge in the past will never return. I added a few more words to my last post. Lets do things right.
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Post by robertw on Aug 16, 2014 14:18:58 GMT -6
For the record, the MTA does oppose a longer season (unless they voted differently recently). The MTA voted to shorten the season. I did this representing the association even though I adamantly disagreed with it because this was my job.
I still remember Doren Miller, Rick Fredrick and others pushing for it in the meeting.
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Post by pops on Aug 16, 2014 15:27:08 GMT -6
For the record, the MTA does oppose a longer season (unless they voted differently recently). The MTA voted to shorten the season. I did this representing the association even though I adamantly disagreed with it because this was my job. I still remember Doren Miller, Rick Fredrick and others pushing for it in the meeting. I already figured the fur buyers will balk at this just like a stubborn mule would to a plow. We just need to make sure there is more trappers present than fur buyers come vote time. I assume that this will be voted on at the fall rondy?
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Post by robertw on Aug 16, 2014 15:47:05 GMT -6
Pops, You'll have to ask Robbie that question.
Any vote on such an issue should NEVER be conducted at a meeting. The ENTIRE MEMBSHIP should be polled!
Should also point out, the votes / ballots would need to be counted by a diverse committee.
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Post by robertw on Aug 16, 2014 15:51:04 GMT -6
Pops, The furbuyers adamantly opposed doing away with the mandatory sale dates, so did the association.
Dale got it done utilizing an online petition. We all owe him more than we can ever repay him. He should be inducted into the Hall of Fame. He did what was RIGHT!
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Post by pops on Aug 16, 2014 17:28:03 GMT -6
Never was much on politics...... just know what seems right or wrong. Don't really know how to jump thru the hoops to make stuff happen, just know it needs to happen. I don't know what all went down in the MTA before I joined last fall except from what I read on here. It just makes since to me to use everyone and not just MTA members to make this happen so I'm all for using a petition as another tool to make it happen.
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Post by robertw on Aug 16, 2014 17:37:27 GMT -6
Absolutely NOTHING wrong with a petition! The MTA can support it or oppose it....their choice.
If Berringer supports or opposes extending the season it should be for Biological reasons and be totally irrelevant to any position the MTA may or may not take. This is wildlife management, not a popularity contest.
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Post by pops on Aug 16, 2014 17:52:55 GMT -6
All I know is somebody besides me needs to write it up cause I cant spell for poop lol.
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Post by vikesbull on Aug 16, 2014 21:30:21 GMT -6
Pops, The furbuyers adamantly opposed doing away with the mandatory sale dates, so did the association. Dale got it done utilizing an online petition. We all owe him more than we can ever repay him. He should be inducted into the Hall of Fame. He did what was RIGHT! Thank you Dale for your hard work and time and effort on this as well as the clinics and trapper ed you initiated. I will sign the petition. Robbie I believe all TA's should have a member only area where votes can be taken. With all the money the states send to NTA I believe they should assist on making this happen for all the state TA's. Of course they should start with themselves first!
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