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Post by tryinhard on Jul 11, 2013 18:52:38 GMT -6
As I'm laying here feeling like crap, my mind wanders through ideas for the trapline and things that might work. Could a guy take a #5 longspring trap and modify the pan to have a huge kill area and have a good coyote/bobcat trap?
Brian
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Jul 11, 2013 19:26:55 GMT -6
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Post by luked on Jul 11, 2013 19:26:55 GMT -6
sure you can
actually just got in a DVD with Clint locklear and he does that a lot in #5 long springs and also with Bridger #5s
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jul 12, 2013 7:58:24 GMT -6
Why do you guys want a huge kill area? Especially on critters with big feet?
Dale
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Post by login on Jul 12, 2013 8:26:13 GMT -6
A #5 in my opinion is over kill for Missouri coyote and cats. They make a good beaver trap tho.
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Post by bigjohn on Jul 12, 2013 10:21:38 GMT -6
A #5 in my opinion is over kill for Missouri coyote and cats. They make a good beaver trap tho. I tend to agree.With that much jaw spread,you'd be asking for trouble with any incidental catches.Any coons caught would have way too much room to work their feet causing a loss. |
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Jul 12, 2013 15:26:20 GMT -6
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Post by tryinhard on Jul 12, 2013 15:26:20 GMT -6
I'm just thinking out loud here Dale. I use and swear by MB550s but if there are benefits to a different size/style trap I'm gonna ask questions. I've been watching a lot of Locklear videos on youtube and he does make some good points about using big iron. I know when I go to the farm to trap that I will be on high alert to catch every coyote I can not only on my place but there are a few neighbors that will be coming by and asking questions about how many I've caught and if they like what they see they will be asking me to trap their place. So if big iron catches more often than smaller iron I'll be getting some bigger traps. I've heard of guys seeing groups of 5 coyotes hunting together in the fall. No one traps around there anymore so the population is booming. I'll be brushing up on my land trapping skills, that's for sure. So my question to you guys outside of the non-target issue, what other issues do you see with the bigger traps?
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Post by bigjohn on Jul 12, 2013 16:18:10 GMT -6
For one thing,they are heavier than standard K-9 traps. Another thing would be the size of hole to bury them.I think you stated before that the ground was hard and rocky.A much better senario would be using 2 traps at scent post sets.Never was too fond of using 2traps at a dirthole,as the way I do my dirt pattern makes it my guide.2 traps at a walk thru would work also.Another thing would be the farmers perception when he saw that big chunk of iron.
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Jul 12, 2013 16:51:58 GMT -6
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Post by luked on Jul 12, 2013 16:51:58 GMT -6
other than the oblivious bigger hole more money for them and more weight I really don't see a dis-advantage to doing it. everyone is diffrent
if I could afford them if love to have a bunch of the #5 bridgers to put big pans on....that may be due to my in experience with trapping which is fine...but if its an edge it's an edge if you can afford the traps I would say go for it
locklear makes some really good points about it when you watch his videos but he does a ton of ADC work so on a job like that he wants to get them all and get them out so he uses every truck he can come up with and I'm sure he has a ton of tricks up his sleeve
we got a guy around ere that uses the big pans on #5 bridgers and has great luck with them
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Post by login on Jul 12, 2013 17:11:42 GMT -6
Keep the neighbors free roaming pets in mind guys, if you know what I mean.
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Post by bigjohn on Jul 12, 2013 17:32:06 GMT -6
Exactly ,Ron. You have to understand that Locklear traps maily in Texas with those type traps.Ranchers there,shoot any free ranging dogs on sight.Almost all the ground in Texas is private property,which includes locked gates.
Can you imagine the field day the anti's would have with a dog in a #5 size trap? Is that "edge " really worth risking everyones trapping rights? Gotta look at the big picture and not just personal gain.
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Jul 12, 2013 18:25:34 GMT -6
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Post by luked on Jul 12, 2013 18:25:34 GMT -6
and those neighbors free roaming pets would be fine in a #3 Bridger or mb650 or #3 Montgomery? what's the diffrence there other than jaw size
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Jul 12, 2013 18:35:23 GMT -6
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Post by tryinhard on Jul 12, 2013 18:35:23 GMT -6
As for the farmers concern about the big iron, these guys want them gone. Period. They are of the notion that if their dog gets caught, he shouldn't have been there. Most of the neighbors are also of the mind set that the only good coyote is a dead one. I'm waiting for Dale to chime in with his 2 cents. Show me facts that the bigger traps aren't better...
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Post by login on Jul 12, 2013 19:32:47 GMT -6
I think Dale already chimed in with his opinion. Now its just yours.
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Post by bigjohn on Jul 12, 2013 20:52:49 GMT -6
Pretty much sounds like you got your mind made up.
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Post by tryinhard on Jul 12, 2013 21:12:00 GMT -6
No my mind isn't made up, yet. I'm still in the process of thinking things through. I realize that they are heavier, I generally drive close to where I want to set then carry in enough paraphernalia to make one or 2 sets then back to the vehicle. Non-targets shouldn't be a big issue. I'll be running raccoon traps early in the season and will set for coyotes toward the end of December or first of January. I guess my question is will my catch percentage go up if I use larger jawed traps? I know several times I have seen where the dog would be there and miss stepping on the pan. I know trap placement is key here but I have read the books, watched the videos. Some say 9 back and 2 to the side while others say 10 back and 3 to the side. I guess what I'm trying to do is take some of the guess work out of the equation by using a bigger kill area.
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